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Against the Homerophobes
Here's a piece I put together defending the ethical value of Homer's poems.


Against the Homerophobes

A lot of people in the Hellenic community have begun treating Homer as their own personal punching bag. Scarcely a day goes by without someone attacking his depiction of the gods as childish and ignorant, asserting that he has no value beyond mere entertainment, or claiming that the works of this great literary figure have lost any relevance to our modern, sophisticated twenty-first century lives.

In reflecting on this growing phenomena I was reminded of a scene in the movie American Beauty, the one where Ricky is showing Jane the videotape of a plastic bag buffeted by a breeze over a bleak city street. There is a transcendent but fragile beauty to the movement of the bag, and in it Ricky beheld a powerful, transformitive epiphany of the hand of god behind things. And yet, another person, standing on that same street in that same instant, might only have seen litter and grime. Nothing would have been changed, except for their perception of things. To every encounter we bring our biases, our conditioned responses, our prejudices. We see only what we are prepared to see, what we are willing and ready to see. But what are we missing out on because of that? What more might there be in the world if we would only, as the tag-line of the movie suggests, look a little closer?

I have a deep fondness for the poets of the Greek tradition. Over the years they have become great friends to me, familiar, comforting, and inspiring. And Homer, the first of the Greek poets in both chronology and quality, has become dearest of all. I would like to share some selections from his works, in the hope that you, too, might give them a chance and listen to the wise and beautiful things that they have to offer us.

For instance, Homer teaches us that we should treat strangers with kindness and show them proper hospitality.

“Antinous, it was dishonorable to strike an unfortunate wanderer; thou wilt come to a bad end, if there is a god in heaven. Indeed, the gods, in the likeness of strangers from far countries, put on all manner of shapes and visit the cities of men, beholding their violence and their righteousness.” (Odyssey 17.483)

“Now eat, sir, of this suckling-pig – all that a servant has to offer; the fatted hogs are meat for the wooers, and little they care for the eye of heaven or for other men’s troubles. It is certain the blessed gods hate unkind deeds; they have respect to justice and fair dealing among men.” (Od. 14.80)

“All strangers and beggars are from Zeus, and a gift, though small, is precious.” (Od. 14)

“Axylos, the son of Teutheronas, was a man of substance and dear to his fellow men, for his house was by the side of the road and he welcomed all who passed by.” (Iliad 6: 141)

He advocates gentleness of spirit.

“But do thou, Achilles, subdue thy proud spirit; it is not right for thee to have a heart without compassion. Even the gods themselves can bend, although they be greater and more excellent in honor and might.” (Il 9.496)

“Son of Atreus, give up your anger; even I entreat you.” (Il. 1.282)

Endurance in the face of hardship and the virtue of hard work.

“Endure now, my heart. An even greater outrage did you once endure.” (Od. 20.18)

“Be men now, dear friends, and take up the heart of courage.” (Il. 5.529)

“Take heart! Let not these matters trouble your thoughts.” (Il 18.463)

“How can you propose to render toil useless and ineffectual?” (Il. 4.26)

“Bad deeds don’t prosper. The slow man for sure overtakes the swift.” (Od. 23.7)

And not blaming the gods for the misfortune we bring upon ourselves.

“Alack, see now how mortals lay blame upon the gods. For they say that evils come from us, the gods; but it is they who, from the blindness of their own hearts, have sorrows beyond that which is ordained.” (Od 1.26)

He teaches compassion by reminding us of the sorrowful state in which many find themselves.

“Of all things that the earth nourishes and that breathe and move upon the face of the earth, none is feebler than man. So long as heaven gives him prowess and his limbs move lightly, he thinks that no evil will befall him in the days to come; but when the blessed gods fill his cup with sorrow, that also he bears, as he must, with a steadfast heart.” (Od. 18.125)

“But come, sit down upon a seat, and we will let our sorrows lie quiet in our hearts, for all our grief; weeping is cold comfort and nothing comes of it. For such is the destiny that the gods have laid upon miserable men, that they should live in grief, while the gods themselves have no cares. For there stand upon the floor of Zeus two urns full of gifts such as he gives, evils in the one and blessings in the other. And when Zeus gives to a man a mixture of both, then he meets sometimes with ill, sometimes with good; but when he gives only of the evils, he puts him to scorn and fell hunger drives him over the divine earth, and he goes to and fro unhonored by men and gods. … Have patience, and let not thy spirit sorrow without ceasing, for all thy grief over thy son will avail nothing: thou wilt not raise him up again, before some evil comes upon thee.” (Il. 24.518)

“Great-hearted Tydeides, why enquirest thou of my generation? Even as are the generations of leaves such are those likewise of men; the leaves that by the wind scattereth on the earth, and the forest buddeth and putteth forth more again, when the season of spring is at hand; so of the generations of.men one putteth forth and another ceaseth.” (Il 6.144)

“’Tis impiety to exult over men slain.” (Od. 22.412)

He teaches tolerance and acceptance of divergent approaches.

“For no island is made for driving horses or has broad meadows, nor will one plot of land bear all fruit.” (Od. 4.607)

“You will certainly not be able to take the lead in all things yourself, for to one man a God has given deeds of war, and to another the dance, to another the lyre and song, and in another loud-thundering Zeus puts a good mind.”

“All men have need of the gods.” (Od. 3.29)

“Be mindful of every form of valor.” (Il. 22.268)

This handful of quotes – barely scratching the surface of the beauty and wisdom that the Great Bard has to offer mankind – should hopefully give those who are quick to discard his work pause for reflection. These sentiments are in no wise inferior to the ethical teachings of men such as Plato, Seneca, Marcus Aurelius, Buddha, Jesus, Maimonaides and Gandhi.




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[info]mythworker
2007-08-19 08:19 pm UTC (link)
"someone attacking his depiction of the gods as childish and ignorant"

Can anyone honestly read the exchanges between Ares and Athena (or any of the gods for that matter) during the Trojan war and say they teach us nothing? Do these critics read all stories only for what they say on the surface? Are we to ignore metaphor, analogy, and layered meaning because Homer wrote it?

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[info]sannion
2007-08-19 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Pretty much. This comes up all the time on the lists, and has devolved into some really nasty flame-wars worthy of being chronicled by the Bard himself. LOL

Then again, Homer was hotly debated in antiquity itself, often on more trivial grounds. For instance, there's a story that the fellows in the Mouseion of Alexandria got into a brawl over an obscure Homeric verb and the question this verb raised as to whether the Achaeans at Troy shaved with a razor or not. This brawl even got so nasty that the scholars ended up using fisticuffs in the street!

*grins* Perhaps that sheds some light on why Alexandria appeals to me so much.

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(Anonymous)
2007-08-20 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's classic.
No dusty dry academics...but rowdy and impetuous.
That's more passion than even the most heated academic dispute I've ever seen.

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[info]calliean_sidhe
2007-08-19 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Thank you Sannion. Honestly, if it weren't for your posts, I would have never really known much about any of this... and for that, thank you. Learn something new with every post!

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 12:11 am UTC (link)
Thanks. As I said, I have a great fondness for Homer and I'd love to see more people take him seriously. There is great value in his work - you just need to look a little deeper.

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[info]luciaofthegrove
2007-08-19 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Personally i love the work of Homer. I first read the Odyssey in highschool in a mythology class, reading the book from front to back. And I loved it then. I have never understood how anyone could say that the portrayer of the gods was in a childish manner because it never struck me as such.
All I have seen is the gods punishing and defending in accordance to wrongs committed and favor bestowed to their favorite peoples. And sometimes the gods do seem to come against each other when those they care for, and the things they personally support are on opposite sides of the fence.

But I think that is more realistic of any sort of relationship, rather than to be condemned for that portrayal.

And as you pointed out there are very many good lessons pointed out.

I have no problem with Homer, I still love his stuff, and I still encourage my daughter's love of the Odyssey.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 12:15 am UTC (link)
Me too. :)

I don't really understand the dislike for Homer. I think part of it may be an innate discomfort with polytheism and how it presents the gods. Some folks want idealized philosophical personifications, and when they see the gods given more human qualities, it irks them. Other times it may be an understandable desire to defend their patrons - I mean, the Ares and Hera of myth are noticeably different from that of cultus - but that's no reason to discount the work out of hand.

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[info]finnchuill
2007-08-19 10:21 pm UTC (link)
Hellenes against Homer? I had no idea! Wonders never cease in ths strange. world.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 12:15 am UTC (link)
Yup. It creeps up from time to time on the list. I mentioned some of the reasons I think might cause it in the above comment, but mostly it's a mystery to me.

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[info]rin_x_x
2007-08-19 11:52 pm UTC (link)
I'm with finnchuill and calliean_sidhe. I never knew that about the Hellenic community.

I have to say that I haven't read the Odyssey or the Iliad.. but my school library has both of them so I'm going to pick them up sometime during the school year. :)

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 12:20 am UTC (link)
They're great works - but be warned: they are also boring as hell in parts. Take, for instance, the twenty-page long descriptions of armor, ships, and troop arrangements. The endless recitations of who begat whom. Or the way that everyone repeats themselves two or three times. Or the way that everyone repeats themselves two or three times. And, as an epic the focus is much more on heroes and kings than the gods. All of that is enough to turn off even the most intrepid student - but then you catch some amazing passage - like Thetis beseeching Zeus, and Akhilleus mourning his partner - and it's all worth it.

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[info]marginaleye
2007-08-20 12:51 am UTC (link)
Yeah, well, the Bible is full of pages-and-pages of who-begat-whom.

The catalog of ships, surely, were in there for political reasons -- the bard had to make sure all that the armed forces of all the potential aristocratic patrons got a mention.

The elaborate descriptions of armor and weapons were in analogous to the milspeak jargon and technobabble in Tom Clancey novels -- "techno-porn" for the semi-professional soldiers (and wannabees) in the audience.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 01:10 am UTC (link)
Yup - exactly! (And you totally made me choke on my drink: well done, sir!)

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[info]marginaleye
2007-08-20 01:17 am UTC (link)
Weren't the Classical Greeks themselves kind of ambivalent about Homer? I mean, the Homeric reality (aristocratic warrior-kings doing mighty deeds) didn't match the commercial bustle and politics of the city-state particularly well -- and more than Biblical reality matches our world.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 03:00 am UTC (link)
Oh, absolutely. For everyone who accepted the authority of Homer and lauded his poetic skill, there were just as many tearing him apart. Herakleitos, Xenophanes, and Plato were probably Homer's harshest critics. Plato would even have the poet barred from his ideal state!

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[info]rin_x_x
2007-08-20 03:45 am UTC (link)
Oh man. *headdesk*

Well.. I'll be sure to take it with me on the bus too. XD

Thanks for the tips!

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[info]alfrecht
2007-08-20 12:28 am UTC (link)
I entirely agree with you...

...except on one minor point of detail. Isn't Hesiod about as ancient as Homer, and isn't Sappho older (though only slightly)? I had that impression...but perhaps I am wrong. The separation of a decade or even a century or two does not make Homer any less for not being the most ancient, but nonetheless, for accuracy's sake...!

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 01:09 am UTC (link)
Well, according to a rather late source, Hesiod and Homer were contemporaries and actually competed against each other at a festival. Which makes for a damn fine story, but likely isn't terribly accurate. For one thing, it's doubtful that there was a single Homer. Scholars attribute different sections of the epics to different authors, including a significant part of the Odyssey to a female bard, based on that work's familiarity with women's lives and chores. At most, some scholars are willing to concede that "Homer" was a 7th or 8th century redadtor who took these diverse texts or oral compositions and woven them into the epics we have today.

If I'm not mistaken, Sappho is slightly after the two of them, being contemporary with Alkaios and Pittakos.

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[info]alfrecht
2007-08-20 05:12 am UTC (link)
I'll take your word for it, as you are usually right about these matters. Fair enough!

I do like the Homer vs. Hesiod story, even though it is late(r) and most likely fictional. The same can be said about a great many Irish things that are still rollicking good reads; the king of Tara during Patrick's mission is known to have been Loegaire in the 5th c., but the Acallam na Senorach has it as Diarmaid mac Cearbaill, who was a late 6th c. king. But so what? Still a good story!

The whole thing on "one or many" Homers is, in my opinion, and in the unflattering sense of the word, an academic point. I'm skeptical of arguments that involve imputing a woman's authorship (while nonetheless certainly possible) to part of a work when it deals "realistically" with "women's concerns."

[The same argument has been put forth about the Mabinogi in Welsh literature, because it talks about birth several times, and there is concern about things like shoes (no joke). This statement is by someone who admits that proof of authorship of one Irish analogue to a date before 1140 would completely invalidate his theory of authorship, but (in his own words) "since no one can prove this, my theory must be considered the best and most likely and most complete." I fully accept that my distaste for such arguments might be due to the smarmy and arrogant way that this particular whack-job has phrased his argument.]

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[info]blood_of_athena
2007-08-20 01:51 am UTC (link)
Has anyone ever seen "Troy"? It's a well done piece of film, but rather infuriating if you're a purist to Homer's work. It says in the credits "based on Homer's Iliad", but I don't believe it deserves that claim. For instance, both Menelaos and Agamnenon die in the actual Trojan war itself! The role of the gods in it is completely absent, and there's a...um... 'subtle' theme of agnosticism to it. An actual quote from the movie:

Priam: "Apollo will protect us from our enemies."
Hektor: "Then, tell me father, how many battalions does the sun god command?"

I know. I reacted the same way.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 03:02 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I disliked that movie immsensely. The only way I could watch it was to completely divorce it from an objective reality, to see it as some nice pop-corn fluff with pretty scenery and eye-candy, and not at all a retelling of the story of Troy.

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[info]blood_of_athena
2007-08-21 12:21 am UTC (link)
Yeah. When it came out, it was like how I felt about 300, ending up being entertaining yet ahistorical.

I actually found out the history channel did a special earlier this year that, although a documentary, was an accurate alternative to 300. I saw it and thought it was better, with cool reenactments, focus on the Athenian sea battle, and other interesting things.

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[info]fuego
2007-08-21 06:44 am UTC (link)
I don't know about Troy- haven't seen it- but I was okay with 300 because it wasn't trying to be history, and wasn't trying to make anyone think it was history. It's a highly stylized movie based on a graphical novel that's inspired by a historical event. It didn't exactly live up to the hype, but it did a good enough job of being what it was. So I was entertained.

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[info]blood_of_athena
2007-08-21 04:22 pm UTC (link)
And I agree, it was very entertaining (I've already bought the DVD with the special features and the game), but I guess I thought that because it was loosely based on something real, it would all be 100% truthful. I didn't read the graphic novel until after I saw the movie, so I didnt know what to expect. Though Frank Miller was a genius for making the narrator a storyteller so that there was a reason for the dramatization of everything.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-22 01:29 am UTC (link)
I have a different take on 300: the way it was told made it far more accurate than if they had stuck to a bare recitation of facts.

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[info]triadruid
2007-08-20 08:18 pm UTC (link)
I first read the Iliad and the Odyssey while traveling in Greece and Turkey as a child with my grandparents. It's always stuck with me in that sense, and re-reading many things since then have made me a lot more sympathetic to the Trojan side of things.

I don't get the Homer-hate either, except that he's one of the "oldest, deadest white guys" you get to read. ;)

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[info]sannion
2007-08-20 11:37 pm UTC (link)
heh. sadly, that probably explains some of it

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[info]peaceful_fox
2007-08-22 11:58 am UTC (link)
Thank you so very much for posting this. I actually have put in in my "memories". After reading years and years of Celtic/Germanic mythology, I am very new to "things Hellenic" and I am just now starting to read Homer and Hesiod.

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[info]sannion
2007-08-22 10:27 pm UTC (link)
If you're interested in mythology (specifically stories about the gods) Homer may not be the best place to start - nor Hesiod, unless you're concerned with genealogies. Much better works would be Apollodoros' Library, Pausanias Guide to Greece, and the Homeric and Orphic hymns. These give you a much more lively presentation of the stories, especially since Homer, as a writer of epics, is more concerned with his mortal heroes and pleasing the aristocracy. Another great sour are the Playwrights, especially Sophocles and Euripides.

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