Sannion ([info]sannion) wrote,
@ 2007-11-15 22:14:00
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Here's the big plan I mentioned in my previous post.

So, even before I got the terrible news about my mother, I was having second thoughts about attending Pantheacon.

I mean, it is a wonderful experience, a chance to meet new people, be exposed to a multitude of different polytheistic faiths, and it would be a great opportunity to get the word out about our group and what we’re doing. Plus, it’s been a very successful avenue for networking, since most of us are scattered across the globe and the only chance we can get together face-to-face is at something big like this.

But on the other hand, there were some problems. First, it’s extremely expensive to attend. This meant that a lot of important people that I was really looking forward to meeting weren’t going to be able to make it this time around. Even I was going to have to scrimp and sacrifice and just barely squeak by to make it. Secondly, a lot of compromises were demanded. Because it was taking place in a hotel we couldn’t have a fire, candles, incense and other features which are essential for our style of worship; additionally, last year there was the issue of noise: the group that our ritual was placed next to complained because our Dionysia was causing too much of a raucous for them. (What did they expect from worshippers of Bromios?) I’ve had some difficulty getting reliable and timely information from the Pantheacon staff. (They are wonderful people who have done amazing work, but I can’t help but wonder if the convention has just grown too big and successful for them to manage properly at this point.) And lastly, while there have been a number of activities of interest to Greco-Egyptians the last couple years, this time around there just didn’t seem to be that much.

So I had been thinking – is it really worth all the effort to go, especially since my primary motive for doing so was a desire to take Neos Alexandria to the next level, to help it transition from an online group into a community doing real rituals in the real world? Pantheacon was just a stepping stone towards that goal: I figured it’d be easy to piggy-back off of them, use the event as a way for us to get together and do our own thing in between all of the other workshops and rituals. It was an established event that a lot of us were attending anyway: most of the work would already be done for us.

But here’s the thing: as wonderful as Pantheacon is, it isn’t necessary for that goal. I think we could put together a gathering on our own. Hell, it would already cost a lot of money and require hard work to put together something through Pantheacon – why put up with all of the frustration and compromises, when what we’re getting out of it is so minimal?

So this is what I’m proposing:

In June of 2009 we will hold the first Neos Alexandria retreat in Eugene, Oregon. That gives us almost nineteen months to plan this thing – plenty of time to save up and iron out the details.

The retreat would be three or four days, spread over a weekend, that way most people wouldn’t have to take extra time off from work. (The major events would take place during the weekend, that way if people needed to come late or leave early, they wouldn’t miss anything vitally important.) During those days we’d perform a series of rituals together. There would be at least one major ritual honoring all of our gods and marking the transition point establishing Neos Alexandria as a distinct, real world religious community as opposed to simply being an online group. We would also perform a series of smaller devotional rituals to honor individual deities, which could be led by people wishing to show special devotion to their patrons. In addition to that we could have workshops, discussions, interactive rituals and events, as well as just spend time getting to know each other and fellowshipping.

Why, you may be asking, should this be held in Eugene? Well, it has to be held somewhere, so why not Eugene? In all seriousness, though, Eugene is the perfect spot.

A lot of our members already live on the West Coast, and Oregon is smack dab in between Washington and California. It’s also centrally located with easy access to mountains, forests, campgrounds, and the Pacific coast if we wanted to get out and worship in nature. Eugene has numerous parks, wetlands, several forested hills, and the gorgeous Willamette River, all right there in the heart of the city. (To make it even more special the Willamette River flows in the exact same direction as the Nile, which lends it added symbolism. Many pagans here in town already perform their rituals at its banks, confirming its holiness.) If we didn’t want to do all of our rituals out in the open, there are lots of places we could rent, such as covered gazebos in the park, a house that’s preserved by the historical society and used by lots of groups, or even the convention center. There are dozens of hotels (ranging from dirt cheap to ultra-swank). Everything is within easy walking distance or accessible through the city’s wonderful mass transit system. There are clubs, fine restaurants, theaters, museums, an active arts scene, bookstores and a most amazing library, if people should seek other forms of entertainment during their stay. (We could even rent out the art house theater and have them play some Greek or Egyptian themed movies for us!) There is an airport (though it might be cheaper to fly into PDX and take a bus or train into Eugene) a Greyhound and Amtrak station, which means that you could come directly into town, and not have to worry about connections. Eugene also has a very strong liberal, counterculture community, which means that we could walk down the street, crowned with garlands and in full ritual attire, and no one would bat an eye or hassle us.

Another benefit to having the retreat in Eugene is that Oinokhoe and myself live here. Oinokhoe has exceptional organizational skills and has volunteered to help us get things set up. We’ll take care of all the planning: scope out different locations for ritual; take care of the paperwork and any permits necessary to do the rituals out in the open if need be; help people make reservations ahead of time; coordinate arrivals and departures, even picking people up from the bus or train station or helping them get groceries and ritual supplies.

And, furthermore, since I won’t have any travel expenses, all of that money can go towards organizational stuff – renting space, buying supplies, and even helping people with food, lodging, and the cost of travel, because I would hate for financial crap to keep anyone from coming to this.

I think that this could be a major event. A rare chance for us to get together and worship the gods collectively. From my experiences with Pantheacon, I know how important it can be to finally meet people you’ve only known online for years face-to-face, and the deep, lasting friendships that can create. This would also be a way to show your commitment to the gods and to the idea of Neos Alexandria – a way to take all of this to the next level. Yes, it will require commitment, and sacrifice, and some expense – but we’re planning this far in advance, and if you were able to put aside even $25 or $50 a month, you’d have the money saved up by then. And if we helped each other out, shared rooms, and food, and maybe even found a way to travel together – it would cut down on the cost even more, and maybe make it possible for some of our more struggling members to attend, further helping to slidify the bonds of community.

And perhaps the best part of all, we wouldn’t have to compromise on anything. We could have a fire-pit and burn our offerings properly; we could have candles and incense and statues and a huge feast and festal crowns and actual processions, with dozens of people, and raise our voices to the gods with our brothers and sisters of Neos Alexandria. This is a chance to have what we’ve all been dreaming of – a chance to make it real.

So, over a weekend in June of 2009 I’m going to be honoring the Alexandrian gods here in Eugene – who’s with me?




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<i>Hic Ego Sum, Domine!</i>
[info]alfrecht
2007-11-16 06:44 am UTC (link)
I and my Legions are with you, Commander!

I look forward to it, and will let nothing--even the rending of the earth and the flooding of the sea and the falling of the sky--come between myself and the banks of the Willamette and the holy city of Eugene in nineteen months time!

Have bust of deity, will travel!

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Re: &lt;i&gt;Hic Ego Sum, Domine!&lt;/i&gt;
[info]sannion
2007-11-16 06:46 am UTC (link)
Wonderful! And I'm serious - see if you can get some of the Ekklesia folk on board for this as well. It could be a wonderful opportunity to bring both groups forward

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Re: &lt;i&gt;Hic Ego Sum, Domine!&lt;/i&gt; - [info]alfrecht, 2007-11-16 06:49 am UTC
Re: &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Hic Ego Sum, Domine!&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 06:54 am UTC

[info]erynn999
2007-11-16 06:55 am UTC (link)
I'm with [info]alfrecht -- I'd totally come to a Neos Alexandria gathering in Eugene. Greco-Egyptian isn't my personal thing but I adore you guys and I miss having you around. And the whole Antinoian thing just tickles me to no end.

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 07:06 am UTC (link)
Hey, it wouldn't be Alexandria without some Celts roaming the streets. And who doesn't love Antinous?

I'm glad to hear you'll be there - it's been much too long since we hung out, and not getting to see you guys at PCon was one of the major downers of our decision.

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(no subject) - [info]erynn999, 2007-11-16 07:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 07:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]erl_queen, 2007-11-16 07:25 pm UTC
I'm in. Definitely.
[info]raistlynn
2007-11-16 07:26 am UTC (link)
I'll be out there by then by a long shot. Count me in. Period. I also have a friend or two (or maybe three or four) that I can bring with me:) I'm going to bring my Ra-loving oldest daughter, and if it's late June I can have my youngest daughter (the one who loves Aphrodite) come along (right after their school is out for the Summer) as well:) I'm going to talk to said friend, Hel I'll just post it on the forum that we're on:)

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Re: I'm in. Definitely.
[info]sannion
2007-11-16 07:30 am UTC (link)
Wonderful! Anyone who honors the Greek or Egyptian gods (or wants to hang out with those of us who do) is more than welcome!

And yeah, we chose the June date with an eye towards parents. In most places school is out at that time, or folks can get time off because it's traditional for people to take summer vacations - so we figured we'd try to make it as easy as possible for people.

And hey, maybe more people with kids will come, and some rituals specifically geared towards a younger audience can be devised. I would so love that - especially seeing them toss handfuls of barley. :D

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Re: I'm in. Definitely. - [info]raistlynn, 2007-11-16 07:54 am UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 08:53 am UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]raistlynn, 2007-11-16 09:17 am UTC
Re: I&amp;#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 03:55 pm UTC
Re: I&amp;#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]raistlynn, 2007-11-17 05:16 pm UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]hinenihetheret, 2007-11-16 04:17 pm UTC
Re: I&amp;#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 04:28 pm UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]wodandis, 2007-11-17 07:50 pm UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]sannion, 2007-11-18 11:34 pm UTC
Re: I&#39;m in. Definitely. - [info]wodandis, 2007-11-19 07:08 pm UTC

[info]tryst_inn
2007-11-16 07:42 am UTC (link)
June is infinitely doable - I can save up by then. Now, interesting question: would you be allowing merchants at this festival?? You may have heard that I own a little incense business. *WEG*

I have a mid-size van and can probably handle 6 comfortably, with gear, if folks are interested in carpooling.

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 07:47 am UTC (link)
Wonderful!

I hadn't actually considered that, but yeah, by all means! I'm very big on supporting the community. We all need those kind of ritual supplies, so why not help one of your own in the process? Along those lines - if you'd like we have a section on the website to help promote goods and services provided by members of the community, which can be found here. Put together a little blurb and we'll do what we can to send some business your way. :)

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(no subject) - [info]tryst_inn, 2007-11-16 07:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 07:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tryst_inn, 2007-11-16 08:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 08:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tryst_inn, 2007-11-16 08:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 08:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tryst_inn, 2007-11-16 08:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 08:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tryst_inn, 2007-11-16 08:53 am UTC

[info]watersusurrus
2007-11-16 08:57 am UTC (link)
Zoe Melissa and I will have a serious look at coming along. We're planning to buy our own property between then and now, but a trip to the US of A has been on the cards for us for a while now. We'd probably combine the trip to this with a stay over as interns with Cauldron Farm (if we were accepted). I look forward to seeing the plans develop apace!

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 09:01 am UTC (link)
Oh, I really, really hope you guys can make it! I've been dying to meet you in person, and I was hoping that placing this so far in advance might actually make it feasible.

*crosses fingers and prays to whoever will listen and help this come to be*

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(no subject) - [info]watersusurrus, 2007-11-16 09:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 09:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]watersusurrus, 2007-11-16 09:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-18 11:35 pm UTC

[info]watersusurrus
2007-11-16 09:01 am UTC (link)
... we might ask if we can crash at someone's place though, if that were possible, in order to save as much money as possible.

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(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 09:09 am UTC

[info]keshwyn
2007-11-16 12:53 pm UTC (link)
Can I put in a request for some specific planning for raw new people who aren't used to your form of worship? I'd be interested in coming, but I have about >< much experience with Hellenic recon. :)

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 03:30 pm UTC (link)
Absolutely. If you go to our website, you'll find a number of pointers for beginners on how to get started:

http://www.neosalexandria.org/ges.htm

I'd be glad to answer any further questions you might have. And hey, if you have the opportunity to come down to Eugene before then, we could go over it firsthand. Luckily, our form of worship is pretty simple. There aren't many elaborate props or ritual phrases to memorize. It's mostly about making offerings and showing your respect to the gods.

But it would be a good idea to offer an introductory class or run-through at the start of this, since it looks like we might end up getting some folks with no formal background. Thanks for pointing out the need for that!

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(no subject) - [info]keshwyn, 2007-11-16 03:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sannion, 2007-11-16 03:45 pm UTC

[info]luciaofthegrove
2007-11-16 01:15 pm UTC (link)
If everything works out as planned and I don't end up really broke (that would really bode bad for my travels hehehe) I wouldn't mind volunteering to do something for Apollo. I am afraid I know diddly about Khemetic religious practices to do anything for Heru-Wer despite my interest in him ;)

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 03:33 pm UTC (link)
That'd be great! I'd love to get some hardcore Apollonians involved. I know [info]erl_queen is going to be there, and maybe we can get Todd down too, since he's technically a member of NA.

And hey, that's the nice thing about setting this so far in advance - plenty of time to brush up on ritual forms for gods we lack experience with! Heru-Wer is important to me (he's the one, after all, who brought me into Kemeticism) so there'll definitely be something for him.

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(no subject) - [info]luciaofthegrove, 2007-11-16 05:21 pm UTC
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[info]dawnpiper
2007-11-16 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Definitely contemplating it!

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Yay! I'd love to finally meet you, old friend

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[info]kadiera
2007-11-16 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Why, you may be asking, should this be held in Eugene?

Besides...as the person with the idea, you have the option to host it wherever you want. If someone else wants an event somewhere else, they can do the organizing ;-)

Seriously...that's how a lot of professional conventions work. At this year's event, those interested in hosting next year's event come prepared to say why they should get the (dubious) honor of being in charge, and where they'd have the event. That way, no one gets stuck always doing the work.

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 03:33 pm UTC (link)
Precisely :D

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[info]snowcalla
2007-11-16 04:12 pm UTC (link)
I would look at going. I haven't been a part of (or paid much attention to)Neos Alexandria because I'm not interested in the Egyptian part. And just from skimming - it is something you are pretty passionate about. Which is great. I have my hands (and head and heart) full with the Greek part of it!


I go to a generic Pagan week long camping festival - and although it is pretty much all wiccans and NO Recons of any flavor - it is fun and interesting and helps me "recharge". But it's *not quite right*. The rituals, what people say, how they view divinitiy...it's all just a bit off.

Why even post that? Cause I wonder if this would seem *not quite right* as well. Because of the Neos Alexandria slant (although I know you are a very welcoming and inclusive kind of guy) but even more importantly (and this is just damn sad) because I've never ever been able to celebrate a festival where I wasn't the only HR - and so what I do and am used to doing is is what I can either do alone or with a "mixed" group.

In fact, when others post the formal ritual that they have done for X, Y, or Z festival...I can't even picture it. I try very hard to live it in my daily life and I celebrate the festivals the best way I can in the spirit in which they were meant to be celebrated - but it's nothing like a formal ritual.

It would find it the saddest thing in the world to be surrounded by other HR, at a Ritual, and feel just as alone and out of place as if I were in a Christian church or a Wiccan circle. I'm pretty pathetic, aren't?

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[info]sannion
2007-11-16 04:27 pm UTC (link)
Not at all, hon. Most of us are solitary at this point, and have found our own personal form of honoring the gods. Even [info]erl_queen and I, who share so much and gel in many ways, have a few pronounced differences in style. Finding a way to blend or accomodate these can be rewarding in its own right. I know I've learned quite a bit simply from worshipping alongside her. Similarly, I think you not only could learn from others - but more importantly, share some of your own insight with us. There are going to be some experienced veterans there - but there's also going to be far more novices or solitaries in attendance, for whom this will be the first big event they've attended.

And there's always the chance that you will feel completely alone - but what if you don't? What if it's one of the most amazing experiences of your life? Wouldn't you hate to miss out on that because of doubt and insecurity?

And while Neos Alexandria, as a group, is Greco-Egyptian, that isn't a requirement for either membership or participation in this gathering. Lots of people on the list are predominately Greek or Egyptian or Roman, and simply honor some of the other gods on the side as they feel called to. And with this, there will be absolutely no mandatory participation. The only major part of it where both Greek and Egyptian deities will be honored side by side is the foundation rite honoring all the gods collectively. Beyond that, there will be smaller individual rites for each of them, and folks can pick and choose which ones they want to participate in or not. So you could go to this and be exposed solely to Greek stuff if you wanted. Or hell, theoretically, one could even come and not participate in any of the rituals and just spend the weekend hanging out and socializing. I'm not sure why anyone would want to spend all the time and money to do so, especially since this is primarily a religious gathering - but hey, it's always a possibility.

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[info]rin_x_x
2007-11-16 05:47 pm UTC (link)
To tell you the truth, I think I would be very interested in going. The only thing is that I'm an incredibly reclusive person by nature. Why I was initially attracted to Dionysos boggles my mind still.

But by '09, I'll be 19! Woo! And I intend on doing a roadtrip sometime in the near future.

Ahhh. So tempted to go. I'll have to see what the future holds...

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[info]sannion
2007-11-17 12:29 am UTC (link)
Well, like you say, it's still plenty of time away, and who knows how things will change? We'd definitely love to have you if you feel up to it

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[info]bluedolfyn
2007-11-16 11:45 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh!!! I'd totally go!

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[info]sannion
2007-11-17 12:28 am UTC (link)
W00t! That's awesome to hear - maybe you could even lead a ritual for Poseidon. He is, after all, one of the most prominent gods of Alexandria. :D

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[info]feral_journey
2007-11-17 07:04 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure where I'm going to be spiritually in 2009 -- but this sounds like a great idea, and I'd love to attend if I'm still on a path that harmonizes. And since I'm in Seattle, Eugene isn't that far away.

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[info]sannion
2007-11-18 11:37 pm UTC (link)
We'd love to have you. And no, it really isn't. Once I'm more stabily on my feet, I plan on making frequent trips up to Seattle. I have a bunch of friends in the area, and if possible, I'd love to meet with you as well.

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[info]lorele
2007-11-17 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Eugenes, from what I've studied of Attic Greek this semester, seems to mean, roughly "well-born".

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[info]sannion
2007-11-18 11:37 pm UTC (link)
Indeed. That was a coincidence that was not lost on us when [info]erl_queen and I moved here, essentially starting over our lives.

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